It is no secret to anyone who knows me at all that money torques me off. Not individual dollar bills, perhaps -- though the stack of twelve quid coins on my desk was annoying me while it was in my wallet; for some reason everyone wanted to give me change in coins today -- but the very concept of money. Although it is ultimately unavoidable, and I do treat my financial obligations responsibly, I try as hard as I can to avoid thinking about money.

Despite my annoyance at monetary systems, I do still remain a numbers geek. And money is quite quantifiable. When I came to the UK, I had carried $5300 in cash (from the sale of Pazu) with me as my start-up funds, since it would be one month before I received my first paycheck in pounds. For practical purposes, I quickly located the best place in Oxford to change cash and I monitored the daily fluctuations in the dollar-to-pound exchange rate, as even a slight difference in rate could add up to a considerable sum. In the end, I changed $3150 into pounds sterling before I started drawing my salary. So even a 1% difference in the exchange rate translates into a savings (or loss) of over thirty bucks!

At this point, I am spending the pounds that I have earned, rather than dollars. So, for now, the exchange rate no longer has a practical meaning to me. However, I am still monitoring it on a daily basis, because I am indeed a numbers geek. The last time I changed dollars to pounds was about half a month ago. At that time, the rate had been more or less stable since I had first arrived in the UK, three weeks earlier. Since then, though, the dollar has been losing value like it was going out of style. Maybe it is. This site monitors exchange rates and, over the past two weeks, the dollar has gone from an exchange of about $1.745/pound to, at today's update, $1.845/pound. That's a decrease of about 5.75% in the value of the dollar. This plot, from the same website, shows the number of pounds that one dollar buys, and may help to illustrate my point (note the supressed zero):





Thankfully, I have not had to change any money at the current rates. 5.75% may not sound like a lot, but if I had arrived in the UK one month later, I would have lost about $180 (out of the $3150 I exchanged) due to the rate difference!
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From: [identity profile] cassiopia.livejournal.com


It hurts to see this. I was so proud of the little nest egg I have saved for my trip. Then I see what its worth in pounds and I want to cry.
*grrr*

From: [identity profile] anarchist-nomad.livejournal.com


*hugs* Eeep -- don't cry! You should be proud of the egg that you have saved up! Especially since saving money is not one of those things which comes naturally to you!

Thankfully, the amount that you are bringing over is much smaller than the start-up funds that I needed as a deposit on a place to live, first month's rent, boarding at St. Johns College, etc. Nearly half the money that I changed went to housing expenses. Your "egg" is about 1/4 of what I had to change. So the loss due to the recent shift in the exchange rate will be about 1/4 as well, or about $45. Not trivial, to be sure, but better than $180.

My other hope is that, in the nine days left before you arrive, the current trend will reverse and the dollar will re-gain some ground. I shall keep fingers crossed for you. *more hugs*

Unfortunately, things over here are indeed damn expensive. So often, the price in pounds over here is the same as the price in dollars... except the pound is worth so much more -- nearly double! This simple fact has caused a big shift in my current financial situation because, although my salary has stayed more or less the same, once you convert pounds back to dollars, it's buying power is much less.

From: [identity profile] winewiskeywomen.livejournal.com


i recall when currencies were metal-based: $5 to a pound, 4 Marks to a $, canadian$ and u.s.$ the same- simple days.
1 oz gold = 35 oz silver= $35 = 10 barrels of oil. it all changed in '63 culminating in '71.

From: [identity profile] anarchist-nomad.livejournal.com


Ah, your memory dates back far further than mine, my friend!

One ounce of gold was really only $35 within living memory??

From: [identity profile] winewiskeywomen.livejournal.com


Only in the western world- 1933 to 1971. but it was illegal to own gold coins or bullion in u.s. during that period. Teeth and jewelry though...
Gold was $20/oz before 1933, 76 years ago.

From: [identity profile] anarchist-nomad.livejournal.com

Re: clarification


Wow, I didn't know that. You weren't allowed to personally own gold until the mid-70s??

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but the price of gold being kept at $35/ounce for so long was simply because the dollar was defined as 1/35 the value of an ounce of gold?

From: [identity profile] winewiskeywomen.livejournal.com

Re: clarification


Exactly. A nation would give the treasury 35 dollars and get an oz. of gold. AND 'til '70 or '71 (mem'ry is hazy) if you went to any Federal reserve bank w/ 'siver certificate' dollar bill they had to give you an oz. of silver.

http://www.ingrimayne.com/econ/Banking/Silver.html

From: [identity profile] darkknightradic.livejournal.com


'71, IIRC, was when Nixon turned our currency into a fiat currency and began the process of deficit spending.

From: [identity profile] winewiskeywomen.livejournal.com


But fiat bills (not redeemable in silver) first appeared in '63. i saw my first fiat greenback in study hall about 25 minutes before the PA blared that Kennedy had been shot. Fiat coinage came in '64. It was '71 when the rest of the world was told $$ were no longer redeemable. May be mistaken; but recollection is that Nixon also imposed wage & price controls at that time.

From: [identity profile] darkknightradic.livejournal.com


But fiat bills (not redeemable in silver) first appeared in '63. i saw my first fiat greenback in study hall about 25 minutes before the PA blared that Kennedy had been shot. Fiat coinage came in '64. It was '71 when the rest of the world was told $$ were no longer redeemable.

That could be true, I haven't completely investigated our history with fiat currency; yet.

May be mistaken; but recollection is that Nixon also imposed wage & price controls at that time.

Neither of which has served to make anyone richer. With artificial inflation matching run-away deficit spending, the USD is worth less then the cotton it's printed on.

From: [identity profile] anarchist-nomad.livejournal.com


With artificial inflation matching run-away deficit spending, the USD is worth less then the cotton it's printed on.

Heh... Not quite yet... though I believe that the penny is getting close to that point. I was reading that the metals in a penny (mostly zinc, as copper became to expensive some time ago) are worth about 0.8 cents. Once the metals are worth more than a cent, it's time to melt down all the pennies in that jar!

For the record, it costs an additional 0.6 cents over the metal price to mint a penny, so the cost of making one cent is 1.4 cents.

From: [identity profile] darkknightradic.livejournal.com


IIRC, we stopped using copper because of WWII.

That's pretty sad. ):

From: [identity profile] darkknightradic.livejournal.com


The Pound and the Euro will go the way of the Dollar, Peso and Yen; as will all fiat currencies. It's a result of the deficit spending mentality that goes along with a fiat currency. When we had the gold standard, it performed bad for short-term crisis' but in the long term would have been just fine. Nixon was an idiot who had short-term goals in mind, as has almost every president since before the Civil War.

Groups like LibertyDollar.org (http://www.libertydollar.org/) have a handle on the situation, though. Unfortunately they cannot call their currency legal tender or anything else such as that, although the government has called it legitimate, not counterfeit that really isn't saying much considering how worthless the greenback is.

From: [identity profile] anarchist-nomad.livejournal.com


Hmmm... Interesting. I hadn't heard of this before, though I do know about local currencies, like the Ithaca Hour.

The part that gets me, though, is the 7% cost. A pack of one hundred Liberty dollars costs $107 US dollars. Hurm...

Overall, I'd like to do away with monetary systems entirely in the long run.

From: [identity profile] darkknightradic.livejournal.com


While it could be ideal, there is no way to reasonably do that, especially in today's society when so many people produce intangible goods. How do you determine the value of software vs. hardware or other, tangible goods? I would value my busshel of corn over any operating system, "killer app", or other piece of intellectual property. No book is worth more then food. The intellect is something that should be freely shared for the betterment of all, anyways. I guess that's my only socialist view. Free the Intellect.

7% cost really isn't surprising given the price of gold against the (worthless) U.S. dollar. It's something like $325/ounce IIRC, so even with that cost, you're making out.

From: [identity profile] bammba-m.livejournal.com

math is hard.


i have to deal with exchange rates whenever i process an expense report for one of our volunteers. Our finance department has a spreadsheet of conversions which is updated monthly, but they get really fussy when i process the conversions myself, so i usually add up all the numbers and do the conversions on a post-it note.

still...math....uck!!! :P

From: [identity profile] anarchist-nomad.livejournal.com

Re: math is hard.


Okay, I'm going to feel silly asking this... but where do you work?

Heh, math's no so uck-y! :)

From: [identity profile] bammba-m.livejournal.com

Re: math is hard.


i work at rotary international :) more specifically, i'm the division assistant (which thankfully has actually very little to do with math) for the membership development division.

From: [identity profile] sciffy-circo.livejournal.com


When I started travelling to Canada in 2000, their dollar was at 62. Have you looked this week? It's at about 89 now. Wow, that's a heck of an interest rate there! Unfortunately, I've only got about $50 of Canadian dollars left, which I think is left over from when it was closer to 78, and not the $1000 or so it would've been pretty nice to have. I could've REALLY used that profit!


From: [identity profile] anarchist-nomad.livejournal.com


Yes, the dollar really has been plummeting lately. I went to Canada for a job interview in 2003 and the exchange rate was about $1.41 Canadian to $1.00 US (or what you would call 70). Not as low as what you got in 2000, but still... Then I was there in December 2005 for another job interview and the rate had become $1.15 Canadian to $1.00 US (or what you would call 87). Looking at XE.com, I see the rate has continued this trend since December, with $1.11 Canadian worth $1.00 US (or what you would call 90). Betcha it reaches a one-to-one exchange pretty soon, or maybe even favours the Canadians! Look at how the Euro went from an exchange of about 80 cents to one Euro (back in 2001 or so) to the inverse of about 80 euro-cents to one dollar (what it is now)!

If you are Canadian, though, it must sucks to buy things that have the US$ price and the CA$ price already printed on it, because you're getting ripped off now! The preprinted prices assume an exchange rate that is less favourable to the Canadians, because it is out of date.

From: [identity profile] wazmon-starbase.livejournal.com


Actually, what I saw a LOT of during my last trip in 2003 was people saying "I'll take $30 Canadian, or $30 USD, whichever you've got. The cost for to go to the bank and convert it for free isn't even worth arguing about anymore. Besides, I'll be able to use the USD soon enough anyway." They'd do the same if it was a Canadian visiting the US, accepting either currency. Most places will accept USD without a fuss now; others charge a premium. I've been told that premium keeps dropping. It used to be close to 35%, now it's closer to 15% in most places. They still want their profit, of course.

Yeah, it was fun to go shopping in Canada during the month long Boxing Day sales when the dollar was at 62. "Wait, this costs $20 USD back home at Wal-Mart, but it costs $13 CDN on sale at The Bay, so that means I'm paying about $8 or 9 USD for this... Hrm, I'll take three!"

Even back in 2000, there were branches of CIBC bank in Toronto that have a "By George!" logo on it. This means that on that ATM, you can do entire transactions in USD, or even convert from USD to CDN and back... but only if you have a CIBC account. Drew did, so that made things very easy, and I wouldn't always have to hit the first bank in Sarnia, Ontario, usually a CIBC or RBC, possibly an HSBC, or TD Canada Trust.

Speaking of which, there's a branch of Manulife in Lombard, a few branches of RBC (Royal Bank of Canada) around here, and yes, TD does mean Toronto Dominion. In Canada, they've changed the name to Canada Trust, but the rest of the world will be seeing TD Financial Services, and I've seen them in Arlington Heights. And yes, I've applied to all of them, repeatedly. My friend Neil started out with Household International, and it's HSBC (Hong Kong... something or other) now. I've been trying to use him to find out about jobs there, but not had any luck yet. :( I'm still hoping to get a job with one of these, and take the slow process of impressing them enough that I can transfer to a Toronto branch or something. Hey, je parle un peu français! (comme une vache espanol!)

Je m'appelle Adrienne, et je voudrais ton argent. :)


From: [identity profile] sciffy-circo.livejournal.com


Doh! That's what I get for clicking on the e-mail link. LJ thought I was using my stories account, and not my personal one.


From: [identity profile] anarchist-nomad.livejournal.com


FYI: HSBC = Hong Kong / Singapore Banking Corporation

As for the money story, I'm not surprised Canadians will happily accept US dollars. Back in 2003, the US dollar was worth 40% more, so they make a tidy profit if they sell to you in US dollars instead. Even today, with the US dollar so devalued, it is worth 15% more than the Canadian dollar, so it is still in their interest to take it. Wait a bit longer and if the US dollar becomes less than the Canadian dollar... well then maybe they won't be as eager. :)

From: [identity profile] ms-redcat.livejournal.com


Yes, I'm noticing the dollar drop here in Russia too. I ususally exchange small amounts, partly so I'm not carrying more cash than I need, partly because I only have small amounts and need to stretch it as much as possible! Incidentally, people here in Russia are quite concerned about the dollar's recent fall, as many Russians converted rubles to dollars due to the ruble's instability. (In the 90s, stores would accept payment in dollars, and actually preferred them, as the ruble was really going down the toilet at the time. That's now illegal, but it's still fairly common for shop owners to convert their rubles to dollars, or, more often these days, euros, at the end of the business day.)

From: [identity profile] anarchist-nomad.livejournal.com


The Euro is definitely more stable than the Dollar right now, that's for sure!

Interestingly enough, when I worked in Argentina, the exchange rate was about three AR pesos for one US dollar. It dropped to that rate when the AR peso was decoupled from the dollar, where it had been pegged at a one-to-one exchange rate, around 2002. As the dollar drops, the AR peso exchange rate hasn't changed... meaning that the AR peso is dropping about as fast.

I'm just glad that I'm being paid in pounds sterling right now!
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